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	<title>Comments on: BC v. Silicon Valley, Pt. II</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Harford</title>
		<link>http://www.brendonwilson.com/blog/2005/01/18/bc-v-silicon-valley-pt-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Harford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon,

I&#039;d have to argue with one point here:

&lt;em&gt;
Part of the goal of these industry organizations should be about breaking down communication barriers, and encouraging connections within the business community. That’s how Silicon Valley businesses grow better, faster, and win. And business isn’t the only one that needs to be doing this on an ongoing basis – universities have to be constantly making connections to smooth the transition of technology from the lab to market.
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The Vancouver Board of Trade and the Computer History Museum are two different entities, with entirely different goals and members.

I think a more appropriate comparision would be the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vanlug.bc.ca&quot;&gt;Vancouver Linux User&#039;s Group&lt;/A&gt;, where they have had speakers like Richard Stallman, Tim O&#039;Reilly, and other computer industry celebs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to argue with one point here:</p>
<p><em><br />
Part of the goal of these industry organizations should be about breaking down communication barriers, and encouraging connections within the business community. That’s how Silicon Valley businesses grow better, faster, and win. And business isn’t the only one that needs to be doing this on an ongoing basis – universities have to be constantly making connections to smooth the transition of technology from the lab to market.<br />
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<p>The Vancouver Board of Trade and the Computer History Museum are two different entities, with entirely different goals and members.</p>
<p>I think a more appropriate comparision would be the <a href="http://www.vanlug.bc.ca">Vancouver Linux User&#8217;s Group</a>, where they have had speakers like Richard Stallman, Tim O&#8217;Reilly, and other computer industry celebs.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon J. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon J. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that a comparison between Vancouver Board of Trade and the Computer History Museum might be over the top, I still think an organization like the Board of Trade is representative of Vancouver&#039;s attitude in a number of ways. Big, exclusive, old school. These organizations seem to exist to exclude people rather than include, and not to BC&#039;s benefit I might add.

Even look at something like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vef.org&quot;&gt;Vancouver Enterprise Forum&lt;/a&gt;: $35 for an event as a non-member? Give me a break!

In response to Roland Tanglao&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rolandtanglao.com/archives/2005/01/19/todays_links&quot;&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the genius of Silicon Valley is that the people are actually there; not that there are cheap networking events. We have some cool people here in BC but not nearly the depth or breadth that they do in Silicon Valley. The question is how to get there from here and I don&#039;t have the answer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While I certainly agree that BC lack of population density is part of the problem, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the only problem. The success of Silicon Valley appears to be the product of both population density and interaction of the people within that population. You encourage this cross-pollination by getting lots of people in your industry together regularly.

There are plenty of smart geeks in Vancouver. I know them. Unfortunately, I&#039;ve had to meet them &lt;em&gt;one at a time&lt;/em&gt;. Gather big heaping bowlfuls of these people in one place, and then you&#039;ll really see some interesting things happen and the pace of change in BC accelerate.

High barriers to participation - such as overly costly event fees or annual membership fees - are a sure way to kill the enthusiasm of members of the community for getting involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that a comparison between Vancouver Board of Trade and the Computer History Museum might be over the top, I still think an organization like the Board of Trade is representative of Vancouver&#8217;s attitude in a number of ways. Big, exclusive, old school. These organizations seem to exist to exclude people rather than include, and not to BC&#8217;s benefit I might add.</p>
<p>Even look at something like the <a href="http://www.vef.org">Vancouver Enterprise Forum</a>: $35 for an event as a non-member? Give me a break!</p>
<p>In response to Roland Tanglao&#8217;s <a href="http://www.rolandtanglao.com/archives/2005/01/19/todays_links">comment</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think the genius of Silicon Valley is that the people are actually there; not that there are cheap networking events. We have some cool people here in BC but not nearly the depth or breadth that they do in Silicon Valley. The question is how to get there from here and I don&#8217;t have the answer.</p></blockquote>
<p>While I certainly agree that BC lack of population density is part of the problem, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the only problem. The success of Silicon Valley appears to be the product of both population density and interaction of the people within that population. You encourage this cross-pollination by getting lots of people in your industry together regularly.</p>
<p>There are plenty of smart geeks in Vancouver. I know them. Unfortunately, I&#8217;ve had to meet them <em>one at a time</em>. Gather big heaping bowlfuls of these people in one place, and then you&#8217;ll really see some interesting things happen and the pace of change in BC accelerate.</p>
<p>High barriers to participation &#8211; such as overly costly event fees or annual membership fees &#8211; are a sure way to kill the enthusiasm of members of the community for getting involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Micki Krimmel</title>
		<link>http://www.brendonwilson.com/blog/2005/01/18/bc-v-silicon-valley-pt-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Micki Krimmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, i totally thought you were gonna post some hot pics or at least share some geeks gone wild gossip. alas, i am disappointed yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, i totally thought you were gonna post some hot pics or at least share some geeks gone wild gossip. alas, i am disappointed yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Tinka</title>
		<link>http://www.brendonwilson.com/blog/2005/01/18/bc-v-silicon-valley-pt-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Tinka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In early 2003 there was a big event in Vancouver.  I forget what it was called, something like the &quot;Technology Innovation Forum&quot;.  The idea was that tech companies from all over BC would put up a booth showing the innovative stuff they were up to, and then ideas would flow, or something like that.  It was huge, there were at least 200 companies in there.  Admission was either free or really cheap.  And at least 80% of the people walking in were job-seekers spamming resumes to whoever would take them.  The frustration level of the people behind the booths was pretty high; a lot of them obviously didn&#039;t think it was going to be a job fair.

I haven&#039;t participated in enough of the &quot;public events, speeches, and meet-ups&quot; down here; how many resumes get slung?  I can&#039;t imagine it being like it was at that forum back in Vancouver.  A horde like I saw on that day would bring any non-job-seeking productivity to a screeching halt.   (I shamefully admit I was part of that horde.  And I didn&#039;t get a single call from all that resume-flinging.  Most of them were probably going straight into the trash). 

The easy solution to keep the job-hunters out is to set a nice big admission fee.  You&#039;ve pointed out the downsides to that.

So here&#039;s the question.  My assertion is that free events in Vancouver get swamped by job-seekers while free events in the Bay Area do not.  Is the explanation to this: (a) in the numbers, in that Vancouver has a higher tech unemployment rate; (b) cultural, in that Bay Area job seekers somehow don&#039;t disrupt free events out of politeness, savoir-faire, or whatever; or (c), my assertion is all wrong and I&#039;m out to lunch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In early 2003 there was a big event in Vancouver.  I forget what it was called, something like the &#8220;Technology Innovation Forum&#8221;.  The idea was that tech companies from all over BC would put up a booth showing the innovative stuff they were up to, and then ideas would flow, or something like that.  It was huge, there were at least 200 companies in there.  Admission was either free or really cheap.  And at least 80% of the people walking in were job-seekers spamming resumes to whoever would take them.  The frustration level of the people behind the booths was pretty high; a lot of them obviously didn&#8217;t think it was going to be a job fair.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t participated in enough of the &#8220;public events, speeches, and meet-ups&#8221; down here; how many resumes get slung?  I can&#8217;t imagine it being like it was at that forum back in Vancouver.  A horde like I saw on that day would bring any non-job-seeking productivity to a screeching halt.   (I shamefully admit I was part of that horde.  And I didn&#8217;t get a single call from all that resume-flinging.  Most of them were probably going straight into the trash). </p>
<p>The easy solution to keep the job-hunters out is to set a nice big admission fee.  You&#8217;ve pointed out the downsides to that.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the question.  My assertion is that free events in Vancouver get swamped by job-seekers while free events in the Bay Area do not.  Is the explanation to this: (a) in the numbers, in that Vancouver has a higher tech unemployment rate; (b) cultural, in that Bay Area job seekers somehow don&#8217;t disrupt free events out of politeness, savoir-faire, or whatever; or (c), my assertion is all wrong and I&#8217;m out to lunch?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Malm</title>
		<link>http://www.brendonwilson.com/blog/2005/01/18/bc-v-silicon-valley-pt-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Malm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ieee.ca/vancouver&quot;&gt;shameless plug&lt;/a&gt;

There are free forums in Vancouver, including those hosed by the IEEE and the LUG. Almost all events hosed by these societies are open and free to the public. It is not that these and like forums attenuate geekiness, quite the opposite. I find these forums, where the topic discussed is more narrow than a random networking event, still provide a great networking medium. The nature of such a forum also adequately snubs resume spammers. Any fee larger than required to recuperate costs is the wrong way to go.

There is something else missing and I believe it has a lot to do with the attitudes and goals of the local community. It may also be that only a small percentage of people view technological innovation as a passion and not a 9-5 job. Silicon valley has so many people in the tech industry that even if only 0.5% are &quot;ultra-orthodox geeks&quot; they can still gather and be productive -- the critical mass you mention in part 1 of your treatise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ieee.ca/vancouver">shameless plug</a></p>
<p>There are free forums in Vancouver, including those hosed by the IEEE and the LUG. Almost all events hosed by these societies are open and free to the public. It is not that these and like forums attenuate geekiness, quite the opposite. I find these forums, where the topic discussed is more narrow than a random networking event, still provide a great networking medium. The nature of such a forum also adequately snubs resume spammers. Any fee larger than required to recuperate costs is the wrong way to go.</p>
<p>There is something else missing and I believe it has a lot to do with the attitudes and goals of the local community. It may also be that only a small percentage of people view technological innovation as a passion and not a 9-5 job. Silicon valley has so many people in the tech industry that even if only 0.5% are &#8220;ultra-orthodox geeks&#8221; they can still gather and be productive &#8212; the critical mass you mention in part 1 of your treatise.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Tanglao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Tanglao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t mean the general population
i meant the population of geeks in Vancouver doesn&#039;t have the breadth or depth
but yeah the fact that it&#039;s not cool in Vancouver to be a geek like it (mostly) seems to be in Silicon Valley
and also the fact that Canadians aren&#039;t really into capitalism in the same way Americans hinders
if you start your own business in Vancouver, you get a lot of grief (or indifference which is worse) from Vancouverites; if you do that in the  USA (especially in Silicon Valley), people are actually interested!
Finally the scene here is too inbred and too parochial, but it&#039;s changing as more people from outside move here for the beauty and the lifestyle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t mean the general population<br />
i meant the population of geeks in Vancouver doesn&#8217;t have the breadth or depth<br />
but yeah the fact that it&#8217;s not cool in Vancouver to be a geek like it (mostly) seems to be in Silicon Valley<br />
and also the fact that Canadians aren&#8217;t really into capitalism in the same way Americans hinders<br />
if you start your own business in Vancouver, you get a lot of grief (or indifference which is worse) from Vancouverites; if you do that in the  USA (especially in Silicon Valley), people are actually interested!<br />
Finally the scene here is too inbred and too parochial, but it&#8217;s changing as more people from outside move here for the beauty and the lifestyle!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon:

I think you&#039;re right to a limited degree re. barriers to participation.  To show it&#039;s not just geeks - the Vancouver Symphony would rather play to a 1/4 house than reduce the price of tickets 15 minutes before performance time.  I think the attitude that supports that behaviour is common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon:</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right to a limited degree re. barriers to participation.  To show it&#8217;s not just geeks &#8211; the Vancouver Symphony would rather play to a 1/4 house than reduce the price of tickets 15 minutes before performance time.  I think the attitude that supports that behaviour is common.</p>
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		<title>By: Ehsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ehsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://techvibes.com/&quot;&gt;TechVibes&lt;/a&gt;, it is a Vancouver-based technology community group. They are holding an event called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techvibes.com/absolutebm/abmc.asp?b=489&amp;z=3&quot;&gt;TechVibes Massive 2005 Technology Conference &amp; Expo&lt;/a&gt;. Free admission to the tradeshow part at least.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://techvibes.com/">TechVibes</a>, it is a Vancouver-based technology community group. They are holding an event called <a href="http://www.techvibes.com/absolutebm/abmc.asp?b=489&#038;z=3">TechVibes Massive 2005 Technology Conference &#038; Expo</a>. Free admission to the tradeshow part at least.</p>
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